Proof sequence 2 for superimmortality

An adequate and useful definition of "proof" for the science of superimmortality will be a complex combination and sequence of experimental evidence and other evidence combined with rational arguments that is coherent with science as a whole.

Imagine flowcharting of these supporting evidences, rational arguments and experiments with diverging supporting evidence, experiments, and rational arguments.

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Proof sequence 2 for superimmortality (consciousness)

This is a proof sequence is to show that a cidentireplica will produce the same awarepath as its original is, has, or will, produce.

Experiment: Given the originals body the structure and functioning is changed to that of a previous point in the original's life. Does the original still experience reality from this previous point in his life? The body self theorist would say that the original does experience this because the self is based on what the body experiences. The superimmortalist predicts that the original would because it has a structure and functioning that already produced this consciousness and the original experienced it, so it will again. The believer in souls would say that the souls is still there in this body so the original will experience it. The personality theorists will believe that it is the original because it has the original's personality but at an earlier point in the original's life. Now any set of different environmental conditions can be applied to the person and he will experience something different than he did the first time his body had this particular structure and functioning. Will he experience this variations in consciousness like he would have if it happened originally? The soul theorist can not predict the interaction between the soul and the functioning of the brain so it is useless in predictions. This process can go on for as long as the body stays alive. So this person can keep reverting back to this particular point in his life and then experience some other set of experiences. Well every set of different experiences produce a different consciousness? No, because the change in the experience and environment can be so small that there is no change in the functioning of the body /brain. The multitude of potential different physapaths can parallel the original's physapath indefinitely. So which of these possible physapath made awarepaths are you or are all of them potential you's?

Identical structure and functioning of matter produce identical consciousness

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different experiments repeating the experiments over and over with different question Experiment repeating the same structure and functioning in the same body using the same matter in the same place result identical behavior evidence of the same consciousness self identity memories etc Exp : Repeating the structure and functioning from an earlier time in the life of the person with the same body will it be the same consciousness ixperiencitness will the person experience it if it in the body that is important then they should experience Exp : Repeating the structure and functioning from all earlier times in the life of the person will they experience it because it is in the same body or because it is the same stucture and functioning Exp : Repeating the structure and functioning from all earlier times in the life of the person then the structure and functioning now. Shows that previous continuity of consciousness is not necessary

A body's Identical behavior does not necessitates the production of identical consciousness by that body Because there may be many different ways to produce the same behavior with different structures and functionings in a body. The structure and functioning of the brain does not give as good of insights into the consciousness produced by a brain as does actions such as speech describing the conscious experiences that a person is having When does the internal reference not from speech and other actions not refer to actual internal consciousness? When lying and when not conscious, but we can get greater insight into lying when we ask different questions at the same point in the structure and functioning. How do we know if the person is conscious of what they are saying or how they behaving? duplicating a known consciousness producing structure and functioning such as your self.

Lying about lying; At different points with different sensepaths the lying about the actual consciousness produced can continue, but what happens when awareregions around a liesection about the consciousness being continues this lie. When do we accept or know the truth for certain about a falsification about the internal reference about a conscious aspect? It is easy if all of the awareregion around the lie twll us that it is a line then we have reason to believe this was a lie you might find out the reasons for lying about the consciousness by investigating within larger and larger awareregions around this lie still the lie is part of the consciousness produced The lie might be a simple name change before for comic purposaes

but it eliminates consciousnesses if a specific structure produce a specific behavior

How does a specific behavior eliminate certain consciousnesses? A person can not likely make up exact memories that he does not have. He can not have knowledge, skills abilities about things that he does not have. He can only pretend to know or speak a language.

Show through experiments that the same matter is not necessary for the production of the same behavior thus the same consciousness or is continuity or continuousness of the same body, matter, space, time or consciousness

Same body very different structure and functioning (your friends s and f.) you have his memories his self identity This is evidence that the body's continuity and continuousness is not the important aspect of the self.

Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments

From Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality Identical structure and functioning produce identical behavior .

Different experiments showing that this is experimentally and rationally true
Analogy to TV, computer (the brain is a physical system as is the TV) (to expect the brain to be a none physical system needs proof) popular bias is for the brain to be supernatural with souls etc. so there can be life after death. These experiments are complex but not impossible to create and study.
Analogy to TV, computer, production and repeated production of objects, events, processes, etc., and experiments

Reductio ad absurdum arguments for superimmortality with the cidentireplica not producing the same consciousness. The original and cidentireplica will be producing the same behavior but different consciousnesses how different? unnoticeable to attention grading where the consciousness is different from the behavior

Reductio ad absurdum arguments for superimmortality with the cidentireplica not producing the same ixperiencitness.

Assume that there can not be a change in matter of the brain without producing a change in consciousness. result you could not eat drink or breath with out changing the consciousness
Assume that there can not be a change in place and time of the brain without producing a change in consciousness. You could not move without changing the consciousness: Assume that there can not be a change in continuity of the brain without producing a change in ixperiencitness. there could be no periods of not being conscious because it is to big of a change in continuity
Assume that there can not be an increase in speed of replacement of matter in the body without producing a change in ixperiencitness.
Assume that there can not be a change in continuousness of the brain without producing a change in consciousness.

Falsifiability for each case of the proposition versus Falsifiability for the proposition as a whole, the propositions can be 1. all cases are x, 2. almost all cases are x, 3. most cases are x, 4. some cases are x, 5. a few cases are x, 6. no cases are x.

What produces consciousness argument

You are consciousness and not a body argument

experiments where the body stays the same but the structure and functioning changes which produces radically different behaviors, self identity, new memories, lost memories, new personality lost personalities repeating of the same behavior with the same structure and functioning

first experiment argument for consciousness

analogies examples with TVs, computers, robots, androids,

Increasing complexity argument start simple and increase the complexity of the device eventually it will be as or more complex than a brain, where does it become supernatural where there is no longer identical behavior or identical behavior does not mean evidence of identical consciousness.

Close enough approximate structure and functioning of matter produce identical consciousness

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different experiments
Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments From Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality Close enough approximate structure and functioning produce identical behavior .

First experiment argument

Reductio ad absurdum arguments for superimmortality with the original not producing the same consciousness: Assume that there can not be a change in structure and or functioning of the brain without producing a change in consciousness no matter how small. discrete change continuum change

Reductio ad absurdum arguments for superimmortalityfor behavior not reflecting the consciousness and if the consciousness produced by the body does not correspond to behavior produced by the body then the consciousness can be aware of this difference why can't the consciousness produced by the body control the body? This can be if there is a disconnect between the brain's functioning and production of consciousness and body. Most people do not experience this discrepency

When the consciousness produced is different from the behavior produced by the body, the awareness of this difference can cause an avalanche of differing diverging consciousnesses

when other structures and functioning do not produce the same self identity personality memories this is evidence also

Percentage wise different enough structure and functioning of matter produce percentage wise different consciousnesses

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different experiments
Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments

Different enough structure and functioning of matter produce different consciousnesses

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Different experiments showing this to be true
Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments

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The variations of the structures and functionings of matter can be mapped to the variations in consciousness

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different experiments
Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments

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Structure and functioning of a body is understandable Structure and functioning of the body can be mapped to behavior and to consciousness Because they can be mapped the consciousness produced can be predicted from the structure and functioning of the body

You are the consciousness produced by the body and not the body itself arguments Examples when you are dead your body still exists but there is no "you" also in certain comas, sleep, and with the use of anesthesias and certain drugs You are the consciousness not the body you are the functioning of a material body By changing the structure and functioning of that body you can produce any possible memory, self identity, personality trait, ability, skill, looks,

The same behavior will be produced with any sequence of previous sequence of consciousnesses produced

Simplicity versus complexity argument: The prediction that identical structure and functioning produces identical consciousness is simpler than having the prediction that identical structure and functioning of matter can produce different consciousnesses

Simplicity argument for multiplicity Argument for simplicity for itoextension Simplicity proofs, Simplicity arguments Ixperiencit simplicity mapping argument

First Rational Argument for conscious identity and multiplicity
First Rational Experiment Argument for Identity and Multiplicity of Conscious Existence

Technologically useful versus technologically useless theory

Predictable versus unpredictable argument

Natural versus supernatural argument

You are a body versus you are consciousness argument Immortality of a body Experiencing life from a body's perspective Television analogy for a singular body is you theory

Coherence proofs Coherence arguments coherence Coherence argument Coherence with science argument

Path coherence Argument for coherence for itoextension Coherence argument

The diversity argument where at any point in your life

free will we process the information that we receive and make a decision on this information but with exactly the same conditions we will make the same choice. Very small changes in input or structure can make very large out put changes in behavior and consciousness.

Ability to predict the outcome of experiments Ability to replicate the outcome of experiments Ability to replicate behaviors and thus consciousnesses by way of manipulating the structure and functioning of the bodies Ability to predict behaviors and thus consciousnesses produced by a body based on the structure and functioning of matter of the body Ability to map behaviors and thus consciousnesses produced by a body to the structure and functioning of matter of the body

Ship of Theseus (human body) experiments Can you actually use the Ship of theseus example to determine personal identity? Experiment: Two identically structured and functioning people made of different matter in a different place could be in an experience machine where the environments are identical. All the matter that was in the first one is recycled into the the other one and visa versa so that eventually all the matter in the first on is in the second one and what was in the second one is in the first one personal identity is determined by the matter or the continuity of a body? Why? Now use whole body parts replace a leg, an arm, a head, a liver the intestines etc After all of the body parts are switched who in the original? in both cases body A has the matter of body B and visa versa. In experiment one were could have just exchanged atom by atom and in experiment we could have switched smaller and smaller parts of the body. In case one the body is naturally replacing matter in both no different than if there is no other person to replace it with so in this case the original is still the original even though he no longer contains any of the same matter.

In the second case because the whole brain is switched it would appear that the original is not longer the original at all but the cidentireplica.

we can do another experiment with two live identical structured and functioning brains in a vat and switch brain halves

The matter that is changed and how fast. there must be a point in speed of replacement or amount of matter where the there is the change in self

Problems with continuity and continuousness of the body

They think that there is something different in the cidentireplica than just a different body. TV analogy for the TV versus the shows that is being produced

Proof sequence 3 for superimmortality This is a proof sequence that a cidentireplica will produce the same ixperiencitness as its original is, has, or will, produce.

part one that identical structure and functioning will produce not only identical behavior and consciousness but identical as well ixperiencitness you experiencing that consciousness.

You are not the body but the structure and functioning of the body Argument that there is no need to prove that a cidentireplica such thing as ixperiencitness Experiments with the same body where when you change the structure and functioning to that of some one else they have that behavior and consciousness No longer your self identity memories feelings

Close structure and functioning to other peoples s and f produces their behavior and consciousness not yours

You need the ixperiencitness concept to distinguish between identical consciousnesses Superimmortality does not need the ixperiencitness concept If you are consciousness then

It not the body but the structure and functioning of the body

split body experiments where do you go under these experiments how do we know

singularity bias argument we have a bias for singularity why what is the proof

Your body can exist and you do not exist if the structure and functioning is not right

there is no evidence of a soul

There is no evidence of a physical thing that maintains the self through time change in space Is there a supernatural thing that maintains the self through time

assimilation of matter arguments speed replacement of matter experiments Where along a continuum of experiments do you disappear and some one else appears in your body

What experiments maintain the self through changes in the body and change in consciousness and structure and functioning

If the creation of you is an experiment what conditions are needed to be repeated in an experiment for the creation of you again and what proof of this is there?

Where is the predictability explainability usefulness in all of these cases? mapping of behavior to structure and functioning to consciousness and ixperiencitness.

The ability to say this body will produce your ixperiencitness under these circumstances and these circumstances will not and then explain why.

How can you even know if a body produces you are not when there is no way to tell the difference between two identically bodies. And you can never know for sure what the history of a body has been in terms of experiences, consciousnesses, that a body that gone through before it has become identical in structure and functioning to a previous state.

If one says that two bodies that produce identical structure and functioning produce identical behavior and consciousness what is the proof that they will not be producing identical ixperiencitness.

Either ixperiencitness exists and is different from consciousness or not. for ixperiencitness to be different from consciousness there has to be the case where there are identical consciousnesses but different ixperiencitness. other wise they are identical where we no longer have to consider ixperiencitness because then when ever there is identical consciousness you will also have identical ixperiencitness. The ixperiencitness can still have use in dividing up consciousness into ixperiencitness groupings.

The percentage wise behavior, consciousness, ixperiencitness and structure and functioning concepts are useful there can be varying degrees of differences between two bodies structure and functioning. These differences in structure and functioning will produce differences in the behavior consciousness and ixperiencitness.

What is the proof that the ixperiencitness concept actually exists? Either you experience the consciousness that is being produced by a body or not. If you do then it has your ixperiencitness if not then it does not have your ixperiencitness. A body can also produce an ixperiencitness that is partially identical to the one you are experiencing now.

Restoration arguments Where would you be if not here