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analogies examples with TVs, computers, robots, androids,  
analogies examples with TVs, computers, robots, androids,  
[[Increasing complexity argument]] start simple and increase the complexity of the device eventually it will be as or more complex than a brain where does it become supernatural where there is no longer identical behavior or identical behavior does not mean evidence of identical consciousness
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[[Restoration arguments]]
[[Restoration arguments]]
[[Where would you be if not here]]


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An adequate and useful definition of "proof" for the science of superimmortality will be a complex combination and sequence of experimental evidence and other evidence combined with rational arguments that is coherent with science as a whole.

Imagine flowcharting of these supporting evidences, rational arguments and experiments with diverging supporting evidence, experiments, and rational arguments.

Identical structure and functioning produce identical behavior


Different experiments showing that this is experimentally and rationally true
Analogy to TV, computer (the brain is a physical system as is the TV) (to expect the brain to be a none physical system needs proof) popular bias is for the brain to be supernatural with souls etc. so there can be life after death. These experiments are complex but not impossible to create and study.
Analogy to TV, computer, production and repeated production of objects, events, processes, etc., and experiments

Falsifiability for each case of the proposition versus Falsifiability for the proposition as a whole, the propositions can be 1. all cases are x, 2. almost all cases are x, 3. most cases are x, 4. some cases are x, 5. a few cases are x, 6. no cases are x.

What produces consciousness argument

Proof sequence 2 for superimmortality

This is a proof sequence is to show that a cidentireplica will produce the same awarepath as its original is, has, or will, produce.

Identical structure and functioning produce identical consciousness


different experiments repeating the experiments over and over with different question
Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments

you are consciousness and not a body argument

  1. experiments where the body stays the same but the structure and functioning changes which produces radically different behaviors, self identity, new memories, lost memories, new personality lost personalities repeating of the same behavior with the same structure and functioning

first experiment argument for consciousness

analogies examples with TVs, computers, robots, androids,

Increasing complexity argument start simple and increase the complexity of the device eventually it will be as or more complex than a brain where does it become supernatural where there is no longer identical behavior or identical behavior does not mean evidence of identical consciousness


Close enough approximate structure and functioning produce identical behavior


different experiments
Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments

when other structures and functioning do not produce the same self identity personality memories this is evidence also




Close enough approximate structure and functioning produce identical consciousness


different experiments
Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments

First experiment argument

Reductio ad absurdum arguments for superimmortality

When the consciousness produced is different from the behavior produced by the body, the awareness of this difference can cause an avalanche of differing diverging consciousnesses


Structure and functioning of a body is understandable Structure and functioning of the body can be mapped to behavior and to consciousness Because they can be mapped the consciousness produced can be predicted from the structure and functioning of the body

You are the consciousness produced by the body and not the body itself arguments Examples when you are dead your body still exists but there is no "you" also in certain comas, sleep, and with the use of anesthesias and certain drugs You are the consciousness not the body you are the functioning of a material body By changing the structure and functioning of that body you can produce any possible memory, self identity, personality trait, ability, skill, looks,

The same behavior will be produced with any sequence of previous sequence of consciousnesses produced

Simplicity versus complexity argument:The prediction that identical structure and functioning produces identical consciousness is simpler than having the prediction that identical structure and functioning of matter can produce different consciousness

Technologically useful versus technologically useless theory

Predictable versus unpredictable argument

Natural versus supernatural argument

The diversity argument where at any point in your life free will we process the information that we receive and make a decision on this information but with exactly the same conditions we will make the same choice. Very small changes in input or structure can make very large out put changes in behavior and consciousness.

Ability to predict the outcome of experiments Ability to replicate the outcome of experiments Ability to replicate behaviors and thus consciousnesses by way of manipulating the structure and functioning of the bodies Ability to predict behaviors and thus consciousnesses produced by a body based on the structure and functioning of matter of the body Ability to map behaviors and thus consciousnesses produced by a body to the structure and functioning of matter of the body

Ship of Theseus (human body) experiments

The matter that is changed and how fast. there must be a point in speed of replacement or amount of matter where the there is the change in self

Problems with continuity and continuousness of the body

They think that there is something different in the cidentireplica than just a different body. TV analogy for the TV versus the shows that is being produced


Proof sequence 3 for superimmortality This is a proof sequence that a cidentireplica will produce the same ixperiencitness as its original is, has, or will, produce.

part one that identical structure and functioning will produce not only identical behavior and consciousness but identical as well ixperiencitness you experiencing that consciousness.

You are not the body but the structure and functioning of the body Argument that there is no need to prove that a cidentireplica such thing as ixperiencitness Experiments with the same body where when you change the structure and functioning to that of some one else they have that behavior and consciousness No longer your self identity memories feelings

Close structure and functioning to other peoples s and f produces their behavior and consciousness not yours

You need the ixperiencitness concept to distinguish between identical consciousnesses Superimmortality does not need the ixperiencitness concept If you are consciousness then

It not the body but the structure and functioning of the body

split body experiments where do you go under these experiments how do we know

singularity bias argument we have a bias for singularity why what is the proof

Your body can exist and you do not exist if the structure and functioning is not right

there is no evidence of a soul

There is no evidence of a physical thing that maintains the self through time change in space Is there a supernatural thing that maintains the self through time

assimilation of matter arguments speed replacement of matter experiments Where along a continuum of experiments do you disappear and some one else appears in your body

What experiments maintain the self through changes in the body and change in consciousness and structure and functioning

If the creation of you is an experiment what conditions are needed to be repeated in an experiment for the creation of you again and what proof of this is there?

Where is the predictability explainability usefulness in all of these cases? mapping of behavior to structure and functioning to consciousness and ixperiencitness.

The ability to say this body will produce your ixperiencitness under these circumstances and these circumstances will not and then explain why.

How can you even know if a body produces you are not when there is no way to tell the difference between two identically bodies. And you can never know for sure what the history of a body has been in terms of experiences, consciousnesses, that a body that gone through before it has become identical in structure and functioning to a previous state.

If one says that two bodies that produce identical structure and functioning produce identical behavior and consciousness what is the proof that they will not be producing identical ixperiencitness.

Either ixperiencitness exists and is different from consciousness or not. for ixperiencitness to be different from consciousness there has to be the case where there are identical consciousnesses but different ixperiencitness. other wise they are identical where we no longer have to consider ixperiencitness because then when ever there is identical consciousness you will also have identical ixperiencitness. The ixperiencitness can still have use in dividing up consciousness into ixperiencitness groupings.


The percentage wise behavior, consciousness, ixperiencitness and structure and functioning concepts are useful there can be varying degrees of differences between two bodies structure and functioning. These differences in structure and functioning will produce differences in the behavior consciousness and ixperiencitness.

What is the proof that the ixperiencitness concept actually exists? Either you experience the consciousness that is being produced by a body or not. If you do then it has your ixperiencitness if not then it does not have your ixperiencitness. A body can also produce an ixperiencitness that is partially identical to the one you are experiencing now.

Restoration arguments Where would you be if not here


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Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality
This is a proof sequence that a cidentireplica will produce the same behaviorpath as its original is, has, or will, produce.
Proof sequence 2 for superimmortality
This is a proof sequence is to show that a cidentireplica will produce the same awarepath as its original is, has, or will, produce.
Proof sequence 3 for superimmortality
This is a proof sequence that a cidentireplica will produce the same ixperiencitness as its original is, has, or will, produce.