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Imagine flowcharting of these supporting evidences, rational arguments and experiments with diverging supporting evidence, experiments, and rational arguments.
Imagine flowcharting of these supporting evidences, rational arguments and experiments with diverging supporting evidence, experiments, and rational arguments.


[[Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality]]
 
==Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality behavior==


This is a proof sequence that a [[cidentireplica]] will produce the same [[behaviorpath]] as its [[original]] is, has, or will, produce.
This is a proof sequence that a [[cidentireplica]] will produce the same [[behaviorpath]] as its [[original]] is, has, or will, produce.


 
A [[proof sequence]] as defined by the [[science of superimmortality]] is a sequence of arguments, experiments, and evidence supporting the predictions and principles of [[superimmortality]].
[[Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality]]
==== Identical structure and functioning produce identical behavior ====
==== Identical structure and functioning produce identical behavior ====


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Falsifiability for each case of the proposition versus Falsifiability for the proposition as a whole, the propositions can be 1. all cases are x, 2. almost all cases are x, 3. most cases are x, 4. some cases are x, 5. a few cases are x, 6. no cases are x.
Falsifiability for each case of the proposition versus Falsifiability for the proposition as a whole, the propositions can be 1. all cases are x, 2. almost all cases are x, 3. most cases are x, 4. some cases are x, 5. a few cases are x, 6. no cases are x.


[[What produces behavior argument]]


[[Proof sequence 2 for superimmortality]]
==== Close enough approximate structures and functionings produce identical behavior ====
 
<Br>different experiments  
This is a proof sequence is to show that a [[cidentireplica]] will produce the same [[awarepath]] as its [[original]] is, has, or will, produce.
 
==== Identical structure and functioning produce identical consciousness ====
<Br>different experiments repeating the experiments over and over with different question
<Br> Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments
<Br> Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments


==== Close enough approximate structure and functioning produce identical behavior ====
==== Close enough to different enough structure and functioning produce close but different  behaviors ====
<Br>different experiments  
<Br>different experiments  
<Br> Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments
<Br> Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments


==== Close enough approximate structure and functioning produce identical consciousness ====
==== Different  enough structures and functionings produce different behaviors ====
<Br>different experiments  
<Br>different experiments  
<Br> Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments
<Br> Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments


[[First experiment argument]]
<Br>[[First experiment argument]]
<Br>[[Reductio ad absurdum arguments for superimmortality]]
<Br>Falsifiability  arguments
<Br>Progression of complexity experiments with TVs
<Br>Progression of complexity experiments with computers
<Br>Progression of complexity experiments with robots
<Br>Progression of complexity experiments with computers
Predictability
Technological usefulness
Explainability
Coherent with science
Technologically useful versus technologically useless theory
Predictable versus unpredictable argument
Natural versus supernatural  argument
 
The same behavior will be produced with any sequence of previous sequence of behaviors that were produced by the body
matter
orientation
placement in space and time


[[Reductio ad absurdum arguments for superimmortality]]
The behavior of two or more identically functioning bodies can diverge at any point due to changes in external conditions  and qm effects from with in the body


When the consciousness produced is different from the behavior produced by the body, the awareness of this difference can cause an avalanche of differing diverging consciousnesses
Structure and functioning of a body is understandable
Structure and functioning of the body can be mapped to behavior
Because they can be mapped the behavior produced can be predicted from the structure and functioning of the body


When the consciousness produced is different from the behavior produced by the body, the awareness of this difference can cause an avalanche of differing diverging consciousnesses.




Structure and functioning of a body is understandable
The behavior of a body is different from the body itself the body can exist with out producing any particular behavior
Structure and functioning of the body can be mapped to behavior and to consciousness
A body can behave in many different ways.
Because they can be mapped the consciousness produced can be predicted from the structure and functioning of the body
The often the more complex a body is the more different behaviors and behavior sequences it can produce.


You are the consciousness produced by the body and not the body itself arguments
You are the consciousness produced by the body and not the body itself arguments
Examples when you are dead your body still exists but there is no "you"  also in certain comas, sleep, and with the use of anesthesias and certain drugs
Examples when you are dead your body still exists but there is no "you"  also in certain comas, sleep, and with the use of anesthesias and certain drugs
You are the consciousness not the body you are the functioning of a material body
You are the consciousness not the body you are the functioning of a material body.
By changing the structure and functioning of that body you can produce any possible memory, self identity, personality trait, ability, skill, looks,
By changing the structure and functioning of that body it can produce any possible behavior representing, corresponding to memories, self identities, personalities, traits, abilities, skills, looks, actions, motions, speech, writings,
 
what is the same bodies same behavior over time
Can two identical structured and functioning bodies produce different behaviors?
Can two different bodies that have identical behavior have a different structure and or functioning?


The same behavior will be produced with any sequence of previous sequence of consciousnesses produced
analogy to evolutions How do you disprove natural selection? How do you disprove natural selection for a specific case? How do you disprove identical structure and functioning of a body produces in the same and a different body the same behavior? A disadvantaged individual might survive because of luck not a better adaption. But can this situation actually occur with behavior and structure and functioning?


Simplicity versus complexity argument:The prediction that  identical structure and functioning produces identical consciousness is simpler than having  the prediction that identical structure and functioning of matter can produce different consciousness
Simplicity versus complexity argument:The prediction that  identical structure and functioning produces identical consciousness is simpler than having  the prediction that identical structure and functioning of matter can produce different consciousness
Technologically useful versus technologically useless theory
Predictable versus unpredictable argument
Natural versus supernatural  argument


The diversity argument where at any point in your life  
The diversity argument where at any point in your life  
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The matter that is changed and how fast. there must be a point in speed of replacement or amount of matter where the there is the change in self
The matter that is changed and how fast. there must be a point in speed of replacement or amount of matter where the there is the change in self


Problems with continuity and continuousness of the body
Problems with continuity and continuousness of the body what restrictions, external conditions my not be able to make every possible change fast enough
 
Problems with continuity and continuousness of behavior what restrictions
They think that there is something different in the cidentireplica than just a different body. TV analogy for the TV versus the shows that is being produced
Problems with continuity and continuousness of structure and functioning of the body what restrictions
 
 
 
[[Proof sequence 3 for superimmortality]]
This is a proof sequence that a [[cidentireplica]] will produce the same [[ixperiencitness]] as its [[original]] is, has, or will, produce.
 
part one that identical structure and functioning will produce not only identical behavior and consciousness but identical as well ixperiencitness you experiencing that consciousness.
 
You are not the body but the structure and functioning of the body
Argument that there is no need to prove that a cidentireplica such thing as ixperiencitness
Experiments with the same body where when you change the structure and functioning to that of some one else they have that behavior and consciousness
No longer your self identity memories feelings
 
Close structure and functioning to other peoples s and f produces their behavior and consciousness not yours
 
You need the [[ixperiencitness]] concept to distinguish between identical consciousnesses
Superimmortality does not need the ixperiencitness concept
If you are consciousness then
 
It not the body but the structure and functioning of the body
 
split body experiments where do you go under these experiments how do we know
 
singularity bias argument we have a bias for singularity why what is the proof
 
Your body can exist and you do not exist if the structure and functioning is not right
 
there is no evidence of a soul
 
There is no evidence of a physical thing that maintains the self through time change in space
Is there a supernatural thing that maintains the self through time


assimilation  of matter arguments speed
They think that there is something different in the cidentireplica than just a different body from that of the original. TV analogy for the TV versus the shows that is being produced
replacement of matter experiments
Where along a continuum of experiments do you disappear and some one else appears in your body


What experiments maintain the self through changes in the body and change in consciousness and structure and functioning  
Problem with souls: if there are souls and souls can control behavior where does it happen? does the soul influence the structure and functioning or can the soul change the behavior with out changing the structure and functioning of the body this requires a supernatural effecting entity.


If the creation of you is an experiment what conditions are needed to be repeated in an experiment for the creation of you again and what proof of this is there?


Where is the predictability explainability usefulness in all of these cases? mapping of behavior to structure and functioning to consciousness and ixperiencitness.


The ability to say this body will produce your ixperiencitness under these circumstances and these circumstances will not and then explain why.
====The structures and functionings of a bodies can be mapped to their behaviors====


How can you even know if a body produces you are not when there is no way to tell the difference between two identically bodies. And you can never know for sure what the history of a body has been in terms of experiences, consciousnesses, that a body that gone through before it has become identical in structure and functioning to a previous state.
{{See also: proof sequences for superimmortality}}
:[[Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality]]
:This is a proof sequence that a [[cidentireplica]] will produce the same [[behaviorpath]] as its [[original]] is, has, or will, produce.


If one says that two bodies that produce identical structure and functioning  produce identical behavior and consciousness what is the proof that they will not be producing identical ixperiencitness.
:[[Proof sequence 2 for superimmortality]]
:This is a proof sequence is to show that a [[cidentireplica]] will produce the same [[awarepath]] as its [[original]] is, has, or will, produce.


Either ixperiencitness exists and is different from consciousness or not. for ixperiencitness to be different from consciousness there has to be the case where there are identical consciousnesses but different ixperiencitness. other wise they are identical where we no longer have to consider ixperiencitness because then when ever there is identical [[consciousness]] you will also have identical ixperiencitness. The ixperiencitness can still have use in dividing up consciousness into ixperiencitness groupings.
:[[Proof sequence 3 for superimmortality]]
:This is a proof sequence that a [[cidentireplica]] will produce the same [[ixperiencitness]] as its [[original]] is, has, or will, produce.

Latest revision as of 19:03, 31 January 2017

An adequate and useful definition of "proof" for the science of superimmortality will be a complex combination and sequence of experimental evidence and other evidence combined with rational arguments that is coherent with science as a whole.

Imagine flowcharting of these supporting evidences, rational arguments and experiments with diverging supporting evidence, experiments, and rational arguments.


Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality behavior

This is a proof sequence that a cidentireplica will produce the same behaviorpath as its original is, has, or will, produce.

A proof sequence as defined by the science of superimmortality is a sequence of arguments, experiments, and evidence supporting the predictions and principles of superimmortality. Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality

Identical structure and functioning produce identical behavior


Different experiments showing that this is experimentally and rationally true
Analogy to TV, computer (the brain is a physical system as is the TV) (to expect the brain to be a none physical system needs proof) popular bias is for the brain to be supernatural with souls etc. so there can be life after death. These experiments are complex but not impossible to create and study.
Analogy to TV, computer, production and repeated production of objects, events, processes, etc., and experiments

Falsifiability for each case of the proposition versus Falsifiability for the proposition as a whole, the propositions can be 1. all cases are x, 2. almost all cases are x, 3. most cases are x, 4. some cases are x, 5. a few cases are x, 6. no cases are x.

What produces behavior argument

Close enough approximate structures and functionings produce identical behavior


different experiments
Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments

Close enough to different enough structure and functioning produce close but different behaviors


different experiments
Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments

Different enough structures and functionings produce different behaviors


different experiments
Analogy to TV, computer, production, and experiments


First experiment argument
Reductio ad absurdum arguments for superimmortality
Falsifiability arguments
Progression of complexity experiments with TVs
Progression of complexity experiments with computers
Progression of complexity experiments with robots
Progression of complexity experiments with computers Predictability Technological usefulness Explainability Coherent with science Technologically useful versus technologically useless theory Predictable versus unpredictable argument Natural versus supernatural argument

The same behavior will be produced with any sequence of previous sequence of behaviors that were produced by the body matter orientation placement in space and time

The behavior of two or more identically functioning bodies can diverge at any point due to changes in external conditions and qm effects from with in the body

Structure and functioning of a body is understandable Structure and functioning of the body can be mapped to behavior Because they can be mapped the behavior produced can be predicted from the structure and functioning of the body

When the consciousness produced is different from the behavior produced by the body, the awareness of this difference can cause an avalanche of differing diverging consciousnesses.


The behavior of a body is different from the body itself the body can exist with out producing any particular behavior A body can behave in many different ways. The often the more complex a body is the more different behaviors and behavior sequences it can produce.

You are the consciousness produced by the body and not the body itself arguments Examples when you are dead your body still exists but there is no "you" also in certain comas, sleep, and with the use of anesthesias and certain drugs You are the consciousness not the body you are the functioning of a material body. By changing the structure and functioning of that body it can produce any possible behavior representing, corresponding to memories, self identities, personalities, traits, abilities, skills, looks, actions, motions, speech, writings,

what is the same bodies same behavior over time Can two identical structured and functioning bodies produce different behaviors? Can two different bodies that have identical behavior have a different structure and or functioning?

analogy to evolutions How do you disprove natural selection? How do you disprove natural selection for a specific case? How do you disprove identical structure and functioning of a body produces in the same and a different body the same behavior? A disadvantaged individual might survive because of luck not a better adaption. But can this situation actually occur with behavior and structure and functioning?

Simplicity versus complexity argument:The prediction that identical structure and functioning produces identical consciousness is simpler than having the prediction that identical structure and functioning of matter can produce different consciousness

The diversity argument where at any point in your life free will we process the information that we receive and make a decision on this information but with exactly the same conditions we will make the same choice. Very small changes in input or structure can make very large out put changes in behavior and consciousness.

Ability to predict the outcome of experiments Ability to replicate the outcome of experiments Ability to replicate behaviors and thus consciousnesses by way of manipulating the structure and functioning of the bodies Ability to predict behaviors and thus consciousnesses produced by a body based on the structure and functioning of matter of the body Ability to map behaviors and thus consciousnesses produced by a body to the structure and functioning of matter of the body

Ship of Theseus (human body) experiments

The matter that is changed and how fast. there must be a point in speed of replacement or amount of matter where the there is the change in self

Problems with continuity and continuousness of the body what restrictions, external conditions my not be able to make every possible change fast enough Problems with continuity and continuousness of behavior what restrictions Problems with continuity and continuousness of structure and functioning of the body what restrictions

They think that there is something different in the cidentireplica than just a different body from that of the original. TV analogy for the TV versus the shows that is being produced

Problem with souls: if there are souls and souls can control behavior where does it happen? does the soul influence the structure and functioning or can the soul change the behavior with out changing the structure and functioning of the body this requires a supernatural effecting entity.


The structures and functionings of a bodies can be mapped to their behaviors

See also: Proof sequences list,

Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality This is a proof sequence that a cidentireplica will produce the same behaviorpath as its original is, has, or will, produce. (Behavior related proofs)
Proof sequence 1a - Identical structures and functionings of matter produce identical behaviors.
Proof sequence 1b - Close enough approximate structures and functionings of matter produce identical behaviors.
Proof sequence 1c - Percentage wise different enough structures and functionings of matter produce percentage wise different behaviors.
Proof sequence 1d - Very different structures and functionings of matter will usually produce very different behaviors.
Proof sequence 1e - The variations of the structures and functionings of matter can be mapped to the variations in behaviors.
Proof sequence 1f - Enhancements to structure and functioning of a body can enhance the behavior produced by the body.


Proof sequence 2 for superimmortality This is a proof sequence is to show that a cidentireplica will produce the same awarepath as its original is, has, or will, produce. (Consciousness related proofs)
Proof sequence 2a - Identical structures and functionings of matter produce identical consciousnesses.
Proof sequence 2b - Close enough approximate structures and functionings of matter produce identical consciousnesses.
Proof sequence 2c - Percentage wise different enough structures and functionings of matter produce percentage wise different consciousnesses.
Proof sequence 2d - Very different structures and functionings of matter will usually produce very different consciousnesses.
Proof sequence 2e - The variations of the structures and functionings of matter can be mapped to the variations in consciousness.
Proof sequence 2f - Enhancements to structure and functioning of a body can enhance the consciousness produced by the body.


Proof sequence 3 for superimmortality This is a proof sequence that a cidentireplica will produce the same ixperiencitness as its original is, has, or will, produce. (Ixperiencitness related proofs)
Proof sequence 3a - Identical structures and functionings of matter produce identical ixperiencitnesses.
Proof sequence 3b - Close enough identity of structures and functionings of matter will produce identical ixperiencitnesses.
Proof sequence 3c - Certain structures and functionings of matter will produce different consciousnesses but will still produce identical ixperiencitnesses
Proof sequence 3d - Percentage wise different enough structures and functionings of matter will produce percentage wise different ixperiencitnesses.
Proof sequence 3e - Very different structures and functionings of matter will produce very different ixperiencitnesses.
Proof sequence 3f - The variations to the structures and functionings of matter can be mapped to the variations in ixperiencitnesses.
Proof sequence 3g - Enhancements to structure and functioning of a body can enhance the ixperiencitness produced by a body.


Proof sequences list, Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality, Proof sequence 2 for superimmortality, Proof sequence 3 for superimmortality, Proof sequence 1a, Proof sequence 1b, Proof sequence 1c, Proof sequence 1d, Proof sequence 1e, Proof sequence 1f, Proof sequence 2a, Proof sequence 2b, Proof sequence 2c, Proof sequence 2d, Proof sequence 2e, Proof sequence 2f, Proof sequence 3a, Proof sequence 3b, Proof sequence 3c, Proof sequence 3d, Proof sequence 3e, Proof sequence 3f, Proof sequence 3g

Proof sequence 1 for superimmortality
This is a proof sequence that a cidentireplica will produce the same behaviorpath as its original is, has, or will, produce.
Proof sequence 2 for superimmortality
This is a proof sequence is to show that a cidentireplica will produce the same awarepath as its original is, has, or will, produce.
Proof sequence 3 for superimmortality
This is a proof sequence that a cidentireplica will produce the same ixperiencitness as its original is, has, or will, produce.