Citoprinciples part 1
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Citolocationality
Citomultiplicity
Citomultireplication
Transuniversal concepts
Transuniversal Citomultireplication
Citointerchangeability
Citoreplacability
Concept of assimilation of matter:
Citomateriality
EXPERIMENTS CONCERNING CITOSPACE
SST: Singular soul theories.
CST: Cyclic singular soul theories.
SMT: Singular materialist theories.
NST: No soul -- no self supernatural entity theory
MMT: Multiple materialist theory.
Citolocationality
Discussion:
Question(s): Does the location alone change the consciousness being produced by the cidentireplicas?
Definition: Citolocationality is the scientific term for
Experiment set #2.1c Citolocationality Cover change of place any distance and or orientation for the cidentireplica.
The second rational experiment dealing with cidentireplicas asks this question “Should the relative direction and amount of distance between the original and the cidentireplica have an effect on their respective behavior, appearance, and mind or consciousness?”. This experiment is the same as the first but in this experiment the variables are the relative direction and distance between the original and the cidentireplica. The experiment can be repeated over and over with increasing distance between the original and the cidentireplica. We can also change the relative position (Citorientation) of the cidentireplica in relation to the original as in to the right, left, top, bottom, front, back or up side down. This is truly a large possible set of different experiments with one basic concept tieing them together; that of change in space, orientation, distance, or location between the original and cidentireplica. Since space might be infinite, there could be an infinite amount of possible experiments checking to see if in every space a cidentireplica will have the same identical consciousness as does its original.
Of course, each experiment only proves or disproves the identireplica theory for one original. And only during the time of the experiment. However, this limiting factor is true for nearly all scientific experiments. Take for example, mixing vinegar with baking soda, the out come is intense bubbling of carbon dioxide. To the joy of children this happens every time. The science of chemistry (based on chemical theory) tells us, if given the equivalent conditions, this will happen every time. But, in reality, no matter how good our theories are, and no matter how many times we have done an experiment, there is no guarantee that the next time we do an experiment the results will be the same! (there may be an unknown physical factor that keeps this chemical reaction from happening) Without rationalistic simplifying structures, an experiment only tells us what may have happened at a certain time at a certain place. Rationalizations or theories, extrapolate experiments to generalizations. This allows us to predict the out come of our actions, and events in the universe better.
Scientists generally used to believe that if the out come of an experiment was different than expected by a well developed scientific theory, there was some unseen underlying cause producing the difference that needed to be included in the theory. With the advent of quantum theory this belief has come under attack. Quantum theory is based on the principle that quantum events can occur randomly with a probabilistic nature. So strange (unpredicted by the scientific theory) results from an experiment can occur (apparently) non causally (with out an apparent cause). The identireplica theory of consciousness is not the scientific theory exception to these strange concepts (rules or laws) if they actually exist because some scientists question aspects of Qm.
There are many things that we do not know about the universe. The things that we do not know about we can not speculate on effectively. If the laws that govern the universe are relatively uniform and like they are here, then the predicted results of the second experiment will be that the cidentireplica should look, behave, and have the identical mind and consciousness as does the original, no matter how far apart they are, or in what direction or positional orientation (Citorientation). What this means is that there may be many places in the universe that a cidentireplica or idoriginal of a person could exist. It does not have to be in the same room or in the same building as the original. In fact, it could be in another country or on a different planet, in a different solar system, in a different galaxy, or even in a different universe.
Principle The 10th prediction dealing with consciousness is called “The Principle of Citolocationality of a specific consciousness. There exists places in the universe where cidentireplicas could exist. Where they exist they will have the same identical consciousness that the original does. We can say that cidentireplicas are citospacial, citolocational, and citorientational. Assuming normal circumstances, and that the original could or would have that consciousness when he is in that place, anywhere in the universe that a cidentireplica can or does exist, it will have the exact same consciousness and /or mind as the original. Since much of our universe appears to have the same physical and logical laws as we have here, it would appear that cidentireplicas can exist in many different places through out the universe. In fact, any where the original could exist.
Type of immortality, TCE, DMF /Difference in theories: SST: CST: NST: SMT: Not a case of survival or type of immortality for the original. MMT: The cidentireplica is a case of survival and type of immortality for the original.
CAM/VT analogy Citolocationality:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: What does this mean subjectively? This means that any where you can exist there can be a cidentireplica of you that has your consciousness -- that is you consciously. What would this cidentireplica of you experience, think, feel, and remember? He would think that he was you here on earth doing exactly what you are doing with the same experiences, and memories, emotions, etc. that you have. He would not think that he was some one else or living some place else. He would not think that he was a cidentireplica unless you thought you were a cidentireplica. Since at this moment you are reading this book thinking (hopefully) about these ideas, this very moment the cidentireplica of yourself would be reading (at least experiencing that he is reading) this book thinking about these ideas in exactly the same way as you are. This cidentireplica would be called a citolocational cidentireplica. The place that could contain an original, idoriginal, or cidentireplica, is called an citospace. Universes that contain citospaces are called citospacial universes.
We can say that the cidentireplica has the same ixperiencit as you. You actually experience what the cidentireplica does. It is a myth that a consciousness is necessarily physically singular. The cidentireplica is a different person than the original. So you, the original, or you the cidentireplica can know exactly what another person is feeling, thinking, etc.
Citospace: multiplicity
Citomultiplicity
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Definition:
Experiment set #2.2c Citomultiplicity (E2.2c) More than one cidentireplica,
So far we have been discussing the existence of one cidentireplica and one original. The next logical step are experiments dealing with the possible existence of more than one cidentireplica of an original. If there are many different places that a cidentireplica could exist, then there is the possibility that one could exist in more than one of these many places. If one cidentireplica of a person can exist, then more than one cidentireplica of a person could also exist. If the laws of nature allow for more than one cidentireplica of a person to exist then, the relationship in terms of identical consciousness that exist between the cidentireplica and the original can also exist between the original and any number of other cidentireplicas.
Subjectively this means that there could be any number of beings (persons) that are cidentireplicas of you with your exact same consciousness and ixperiencit. These other people will think that they are you and have all the same emotions, feelings, ideas, memories etc. that you do. They will think that they are on earth in the 21st century. They will not be any more aware of other cidentireplicas of the original or the original than you are. There will be no mystical connection between the different cidentireplicas or the original, nor a special feeling of being a cidentireplica or an original. So you would never know unless you were told or had some other experience of their existence, that you were an original, cidentireplica, or idoriginal. Of course, they would have to know at the same time in their life or you would not continue to be a cidentireplica of them or they of you.
Prediction(s)/Differences in theories:
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Principle #2.2c Citomultiplicity (P2.2c): The principle of multiple identical consciousness in space.
There can exist any number of cidentireplicas at the same time of an original. A cidentireplica that has this property is a citomultiple cidentireplica. However, the possibility of their existence does not mean that they in fact do exist. Every where that an original could exist there could be a idoriginal or cidentireplica.
If this principle applies to this universe or parts of it, it is a citomultiple universe. A citomultiple universe does not have to have a single cidentireplica to be a citomultiple universe. It only needs to have the ability to have citomultiple cidentireplicas in it. It does not mean that it (the universe) has to have the ability to make cidentireplicas in its course of development. What it means is that no matter how they come exist in that universe, they will all have an identical consciousness and ixperiencit to that of its original.
How, might you ask, would a universe that can not produce cidentireplicas have cidentireplicas? And the follow up question; If a universe can not create cidentireplicas what difference does it make if it can have them? To explain this we need a definition of universe. Astronomers are developing theories about universes, speculating that there can be many of them. The properties of these universes or their gravity fields make them a complete unit (supposedly). Somewhat equivalent to the earth, no matter how far you walk or ride a boat in any direction you will always be on the earth. But that does not mean that there is not something out side of the earth. In the same way what ever direction you travel in this universe in a normal spaceship you will still be in this universe. It will take something beyond a normal spaceship to travel between universes. The concept of many universes existing is not new. Nor are the concepts of them having different properties between them, new. So where one universe can not produce cidentireplicas another universe might. Travel between the two universes might be possible allowing a cidentireplica to be created in one universe and existing in another. How might one universe be able to create cidentireplicas and another not? A universe that has the ability to create an original randomly might have also randomly created a cidentireplica of that original. The original in one universe might be the cidentireplica in another universe or visa versa. It takes several things to make a cidentireplica non randomly. It takes knowledge, purpose, and the ability to manipulate matter in certain ways. Humans might have the desire (purpose) to create cidentireplicas but we do not have the knowledge and ability, presently, to create cidentireplicas. We might never have this ability because we never become advanced enough and/ or, the laws that govern this universe might not allow for this ability. But this does not mean that in another universe intelligent life forms are not or will not be advanced enough to do this task.
What kind of universe could not have the possibility of having cidentireplicas? First, if an original can not exist in this universe then a cidentireplica probably would not be able to exist either. Second, if a universe has the quality of uniqueness of a particular functioning then only one path of functioning is allowed. So no cidentireplicas could exist because it would break the physical law of uniqueness of functioning. The universe that we are in does not seem to have this quality because chemical reactions seem to repeat when ever the conditions are right. The body’s functioning and consequently consciousness is based on the repetition of these chemical reactions. A third possibility is that of complexity. A universe has to have enough complexity to generate an original. There has to be complexity of functioning and structure over extended periods of time. Our universe seems to have the ability to create this type of complexity.
Type of immortality, TCE, DMF /Difference in theories: SST: CST: NST: SMT: NCS: -- means not a case of survival or type of immortality. MMT: Called Citomultiple survival or immortality
CAM/VT analogy Citomultiplicity:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
Why/how Important?:
Citospace: multireplication
Citomultireplication
Discussion:
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Definition:
Experiment set #2.3c Citomultireplication: Cidentireplicas of cidentireplicas.
Cidentireplicas have the property of citomultireplication. It can be explained as follows. We can consider experiments concerning cidentireplicas of cidentireplicas. For example, if there existed a cidentireplica(2) of an original(1) and a cidentireplica(3) using cidentireplica(2) as its original, what would the relationship between the cidentireplica(3) and cidentireplica(2) be? By definition cidentireplica(3) is a exact functioning copy or cidentireplica of cidentireplica(2) thus the two cidentireplicas (2) and (3) will have the same personality, behavior, memories, etc. In other words mind and, or consciousness. The relationship will be the same as between an original and the first cidentireplica. What will be the relationship between the original(1) and the cidentireplica(3)? They will have the same consciousness etc.. What if there were two cidentireplicas of the original what will their relationship be? They will have the same consciousness. Any number of cidentireplicas of cidentireplicas, or cidentireplicas of the originals will always have the same behavior, personality, consciousness, and ixperiencit. Would a cidentireplica be aware of being a cidentireplica? A cidentireplica would not be aware of being a cidentireplica if the original was not aware of being a cidentireplica. This is because the cidentireplica and the original have exactly the same consciousness. Would any cidentireplica be aware of there existing other cidentireplicas? Not unless all of them were aware. If one had a different consciousness (that of being aware of being a cidentireplica), his brain would be functioning differently, consequently, he would not be a cidentireplica of the other cidentireplicas or the original. There is no mystical or strange connection between the identical consciousness simply because they are identical. There may be many other factors involved where there is some kind of connection between them, but when this happens there will usually be a change between them so they are no longer cidentireplicas of each other. They would have to have an awareness of what the group is, and then be aware of a difference in themselves from that group. That difference then makes them no longer cidentireplicas. Cidentireplicas can not have meaningful conversations with themselves because the minute that the cidentireplicas respond differently they are no longer cidentireplicas of each other. Different behavior implies different physical functioning. The experiments dealing with citomultireplication will be checking if replications of replications: cidentireplicas of cidentireplicas will still have identical consciousness experimentally to each other and to the original.
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle #2.3c Citomultireplication, Principle of multiple replication of cidentireplicas. Cidentireplicas of each other will always have identical consciousness to each other and to the original. Ideally any number of cidentireplicas could exist that a particular universe can support. As many cidentireplicas can exist, at one time, of an original, as there exists spots that the original can exist in, and made from any cidentireplica originating from this template original.
A cidentireplica can be distinguished in space through indicae(s). In a well defined three dimensional universe each point can be defined in terms of three numbers (x,y,z,) each point will correspond to a different set of numbers. Since the earth is constantly moving there will be a function that defines the place per time that the original or cidentireplica exists through. We can also define a large volume in time that a cidentireplica will exist in rather than a specific point function.
Type of immortality, TCE, DMF /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
CAM/VT analogy Citomultireplication:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
Why/how Important?:
The Transuniversal concept
The Transuniversal concept is that these itoconcepts can tie universes together as if they were not separate universes. It may apply to one universe for one concept and not to another universe for another concept.
What is a definition of a universe? It can apply to several ideas. One is to space like the concept of a galaxy it is a structure that is big separated by space. The second idea is that the universe has a different set of controlling physical laws.
The Transuniversal application concept is the idea that the itoconcepts can be applied to universes separately. can be applied to most of these concepts either they apply to a universe or they do not they can apply to some universes and not to others
We will not apply the transuniversal concept to each itoconcept it is however assumed that it may apply.
Why does it matter if the Transuniversal concept applies to the different itoconcepts? It allows your consciousness to existence in other universes it allows other universes to create more version of your consciousness it ties universes consciously together. It allows super consciousness to exist that tie together universes
Transuniversal Citomultireplication
Citomultiunireplication
Discussion:
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Definition:
Experiment set Transuniversal Citomultireplication
This “universe” was supposed to be the term for everything, but with greater understanding of astronomy we can imagine universes out side of this universe where there are different physical laws and physical constants-- where things can be very different than they are in this universe. On the earth there is a force from gravity. At different places on the earth this force changes but relatively slightly. Different places in our universe will have different forces due to gravity. In an analogous way different universes may have different speeds of light, a different value of pi. Etc. These changes to physical laws may make life impossible and consciousness inconceivable. We do not know what we might find in other universes. There is no guarantee that even in this universe all the physical laws are the same every where or at all times.
If we assume that there are universes outside of this one, we can ask the question of what will happen when a cidentireplica of an original in this universe is created in another universe? Going between universes to test what will happen is beyond or present abilities like asking a cave man to go to the moon. And this is a most positive sense because going to the moon was possible for man, going between universes may not be possible ever, for a physical body. Under the best circumstances identical functioning and structure will produce identical consciousness. The best choice for physical laws that will produce consciousness like ours, in another universe, are the physical laws that we have in our universe. But this is not to say that other universes with different laws would not allow consciousnesses, and identical ones to exist, that exist in this universe. It just might take a different mapping of structure and functioning in one universe to that of the other universe. Or it could be so entirely different that no finite physical mapping will work. In other words there is or can be no physical mapping between the physical functioning and structure in our universe that produces a specific consciousness and the physical functioning in a different universe that produces the same consciousness. In this different type of universe there may exist the consciousnesses that exists in our universe but they may not correspond to physical functioning in this universe at all. Another kind of universe, is where there exists no consciousnesses or they are, relative to our universe, very rare in potential.
If in a different universe identical functioning will produce identical consciousness we have a property that we call transuniversal citomultireplication. If a universe can produce identical consciousness but the functioning has to be modified or mapped to produce this identical consciousness it is called modified transuniversal citomultireplication. If a universe, using any possible modification of structure and functioning can still not produce a particular consciousness it is called cito-non-modifiable universe. If a universe can not produce any consciousness at all it is called a nonconscious universe.
The importance of the concept of different universes can be applied to this universe if parts of this universe are controlled by different physical laws.
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories
Trans Universal Citomultireplication Principle
If there are other universes or parts of this universe that have different physical laws, identical functioning and structure may not produce identical consciousness. But in other universes that have identical physical laws and qualities that our universe has like enough space, and time, proper temp, etc., where identical functioning and structure does exist, identical consciousness will be produced in a cidentireplica. In a universe that has different physical laws if there exists functional and structure mappings that connect one consciousness to a structure physical and then identical consciousness can also exist in this universe.
Type of immortality,
TCE, DMF /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
CAM/VT analogy Citomultiunireplication:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
If you were a cidentireplica within this universe or within another, where physical laws and other conditions are the same as where the original exists, you will have identical consciousness to the originals. Your consciousness may exist where the physical laws and conditions are different than on earth. This is because in a different universe different structures and functionings might produce the same consciousness. The structure and functioning is different because the physical laws are different. The key to know if another universe can have consciousness is it ability to have knowledge. If no physical structure can exist where the parts communicate with (talk to) each other or correspond to knowledge there may not be any consciousness.
Why/how Important?:
Experiments concerning Citomateriality
In the previous experiments we dealt with changes in space and how it affects consciousness. Now we are dealing with experiments of how the change in matter and energy effect consciousness.
Citointerchangeability
Discussion:
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Definition:
Experiment set #2.5c Citointerchangeability
Because of the principle of relativity of the original, the principle of Orinterchangability applies to the idoriginal and cidentireplica also.
If we take an original and a cidentireplica of this original and exchange parts in such a way that they continue to have the same structure, and function identically they continue will to produce the same consciousness? We can imagine exchanging an atom to exchanging the entire nervous system in any number of different sequences in experiments.
Between cidentireplicas, idoriginals, and originals, parts can be interchanged and the same consciousness will be produced when the structure and functioning continues to be identical. Any interchange that will produce identical structure and functioning will produce identical consciousness. So if we take two cidentireplicas of each other and interchange parts (neurons , etc.) of one of the cidentireplicas, as long as the functioning stays the same, the consciousness will stay the same.
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Principle # Citointerchangeability:
If any size parts of an original and any of its cidentireplicas and idoriginals are interchanged and no difference in structure and functioning occurs identical consciousness will continue to be produced.
Type of immortality,
TCE, DMF /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
CAM/VT analogy Citointerchangeability:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
If we have a cidentireplica of you and we start interchanging parts between you and the cidentireplica as long as the functioning and structure stays the same the consciousness will stay the same. If the brain of one of your cidentireplicas was interchanged with you the original as long as they functioned identically they will be producing the same consciousness. You the original would experience, if the switch was perfect, nothing different or unusual in your consciousness even though you now have a different brain, the brain of one your cidentireplica’s. Of course the reverse is true also the cidentireplica would not experience anything different either.
Why/how Important?
Principle of # Multiple Citointerchangeability:
Citoreplacability
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Definition:Citoreplacability
Experiment set #2.6c Citoreplacability
In this experiment we find neurons from other sources than from originals or cidentireplicas that have the same structure and will function exactly like the originals and we use them to replace neurons in the cidentireplica. Will the non changed original and the modified cidentireplica have the same consciousness? As long as they have identical structure and functioning they will be producing the identical consciousness.
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Principle # Citoreplacability
Where one or more sub systems (from an subatomic particle to a body part) is replaced in the body of a cidentireplica, if the structure and functioning stays the same the consciousness stays the same.
Type of immortality,
TCE, DMF /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
CAM/VT analogy Citoreplacability:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example
Replacement of parts of the cidentireplicas with parts that have the same structure function identically will still produce the identical consciousness to that of the original. Your consciousness will be no different than other non modified cidentireplicas or the original. Although you are this modified cidentireplica you will still think you are reading this book. Just exactly like you the original is experiencing. If the original died you would still be reading this book, your consciousness being produced by this modified cidentireplica.
Why/how Important?:
Concept of assimilation of matter: Some philosophers have purposed that matter has some unidentified property that it has to be assimilated into a person over a period of time; They say if you replace that matter in a person to fast it will not be the same person. One of the reasons is to support the concept of singularity rather than multiplicity of self. They feel that singularity is so self evident that there has to be some property of matter that assures it. There has never been any such property of matter found by scientists. The reason that philosophers are confused is that when we eat matter it takes a while for it to change form and be integrated into the structure and functioning that is happening in the body. It is a limitation imposed by chemistry of the body not one imposed by matter itself. If it could be instantaneously integrated into the structure and functioning of the body there will still be the same consciousness/ ixperiencit produced.
Citomateriality
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Definition: Citomateriality
is the term for the concept the matter that produces the original and cidentireplicas is interchangeable with the matter that produces any other.
Experiment set# 2.7c Citomateriality
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Principles of Citomateriality:
1.The same matter can produce an extremely large amount different physipaths and consequently awarepaths.
2. The same matter can produce many radically different awarepaths.
3. The same matter plus any needed additional matter can be used to make any physipath, and thus it corresponding awarepath.
This shows that matter is not tied to a specific consciousness but to any consciousness that it happens to be producing. If this is not the case then we have the situation where matter will produce no consciousness at all, if not a specific consciousness. But this is not true because the matter in a person is always changing. Being replaced being interchanged etc.
Citomateriality is the concept that deals with how matter effects consciousness. Producing identical consciousnesses is not dependent on a particular piece of matter and /or energy. A cidentireplica can be made of different types of matter and energy as long as the relative functioning and structure stays the same. What proof? We can prove behavior from identical functioning. If we were to replace neurons in the brain with artificial neurons that have the same identical effect on the functioning of the brain that the original neurons did, we would have identical behavior and consciousness with out identical structure. The identical effect, of the artificial neuron, would only need to exist long enough to produce that identical consciousness for that required period of time. For a person, if a neuron was replaced by an artificial neuron, the artificial neuron would only need to functioning identically for the life of the person not for ever. Maybe the artificial neuron diverges after a month but if this is the end of the life of the person it does not matter for that month period of time the identical consciousness was produced. We can use a proof from videntireplicas--taking any grouping of matter we can adjust the functioning so that the consciousness produced becomes closer and closer to the desired consciousness either there is a limit to how close the produced consciousness will come to the desired consciousness or it becomes identical.
Type of immortality,
TCE, DMF /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: The singular soul theories such as christians believe the matter is important because they believe that god needs the original body to create life after death. CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
CAM/VT analogy Citomateriality: The copies of the movie “The Original’s life” can be made from any matter with the right make up of elements and the right functioning structure.
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
It does not matter what matter is used to create the cidentireplica that you are but what you experience will be reading this sentence now. What any cidentireplica of the original made
Why/how Important?:
Increases the DMF by allowing any matter to create conscious existence for the original through its cidentireplicas.